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When Things Don't Go the Way You Think They Should
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September 21, 2013
2:10 pm
frelling
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Given the seriousness of the accusations in this post, I have taken the time to read the transcripts for all days that Woozell interacted with Veterancraft, with a particular focus on the day in question.

We have a certain ideology as to what makes a good moderator. Because of that we have extremely high standards that must be satisfied in order for us to even consider asking someone to come on board with us. It is a natural outcome that people with the same motivation, drive, and goals would become friends.

In regards to the accusation that our moderators are “common and usual suspect[s] that ‘bend’ rules”, it cannot be farther from the truth. While a member may have had a tiff with one moderator, casting such a general aspersion upon all moderators is nothing more than being overly theatrical. The only “bending” our moderators do is to show a bit more leniency to members that are cooperative or less leniency to those that aren’t.

I have read and re-read Woozell’s opining throughout the logs and for the most part they were mostly harmless; frankly painting him more as a chatterbox than anything else. It brought back memories of some of our more past notorious, self-important members that were starved for attention. One of his ramblings that I agree with is that text without explanation will most likely be taken the wrong way. Sadly, some that dole out good advice don’t heed it themselves.

Case in point, when Woozell was asked by SuperSheep23 whether he was okay because he came across as being a bit tense, he went from being a chatterbox to a troll. Upon a moderator asking both to chill, Woozell effectively told our moderator to butt out. If it had been me policing at the time, that would have been the end of the scenario.

The only fault I will find with our moderator is that he allowed himself to be roped into a philosophical discussion over our “chat” rules. However, even so, the benefit of doubt was given and our moderator tried to get to the bottom of the originating issue, upon which he was blown off once more by Woozell; and hence, resulted in his banning.

In short, I fully support the end result of this “interaction.” While the originating issue was minor, the manner in which Woozell carried himself and his lack of respect for our staff clearly shows that his interests would be best suited elsewhere. I will not agree to an unbanning at a future date.

 

To the Rest of Our Members

We realize that our staff regularly have to battle the stigma that moderators on 99% of other Minecraft servers cast upon themselves. Be rest assured that we do not tolerate elitist pricks of any kind – members and moderators alike. However, at times we will certainly be blunt, especially when serious accusations are made such as those by Woozell.

Here is a simple formula should you ever be in a similar situation:

  • Throw away any preconceived notions about moderators that you may have.
  • Be on you best behavior, no matter how wronged you feel.
  • When a moderator speaks, you listen.
  • When a moderator issues directives, you comply.
  • Do not ask for justification.
  • Do not attempt to engage moderators in philosophical arguments.

If you feel you were wronged by a moderator’s decision, live with it and bring to the attention of Meatbawllz or me. If you feel that the issue was inappropriately resolved or you are uncertain as to why it was resolved the way it was, you are welcome to start a follow up discussion in the forums. Just keep in mind to be on your best behavior and stay to the facts at hand when posting an issue. Posts dripping with contempt or making false accusations will not motivate a fair treatment and will be promptly removed. 

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their disinclination to do so. - D. Adams
September 21, 2013
2:43 pm
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After seeing the post, I feel a little on the fence about the issue. If a person acts up, respectfully tell them to stop. If they continue, of course put some kind of ban on them. That should be all the process takes. I work in the DOC, and even treating an offender like that would be grounds for my termination, if not a civil case against me. The last part could also be useful advice to mods; Do not attempt to engage offenders in any kind of arguments.

You guys know best, as is evident by the successful and long lived server we all enjoy, but I just feel there should be a tad more restraint and professionalism in the duties of mods. 

September 21, 2013
3:04 pm
frelling
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pherob said
After seeing the post, I feel a little on the fence about the issue. If a person acts up, respectfully tell them to stop. If they continue, of course put some kind of ban on them.

Unfortunately, the chat snapshot only shows the end of the discussion, which by then had deteriorated, despite best efforts. Take a look at the originating incident. Our general policy is not to post these logs publicly, but it was in normal chat. Here is an example of what not to do

 

V [Bishop]SuperSheep23: woozell. are you okay man. you seem a bit. tense
O woozell: ...didnt your mom tell you to go to bed like 2 hours ago? :)
O woozell: Cuddle up to some webkins...
V [Bishop]SuperSheep23: well then. sorry for asking. sheesh.
O woozell: you seem unsure of yourself? do you not have friends?
O woozell: see how that sounds like an attack on someone you don't know??
O woozell: Text is what it is. unless you explain, you misunderstand
V [Architect]LightWarriorK[SM]: yes, both of you, chill
O woozell: how about not interject into a coversation not your's ?
O woozell: :)

 

Everything beyond this was a simple act of throwing more gasoline on the fire Frown

 

The last part could also be useful advice to mods; Do not attempt to engage offenders in any kind of arguments.

As Sgt. Friday always said "Just the facts, Ma'am" Smile

 

You guys know best, as is evident by the successful and long lived server we all enjoy, but I just feel there should be a tad more restraint and professionalism in the duties of mods.

I'm not sure if that comment is hinting toward something else? I am confident that our moderators show restraint and professionalism, even to a fault at times - some more so than others. But relatively speaking, I'm hard pressed to find a better bunch of people on any other server. I'm certain there are exceptions like us out there, but its far and few between.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their disinclination to do so. - D. Adams
September 21, 2013
7:15 pm
pherob
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I suppose my post could have been taken the wrong way, and for that I am sorry. I wasn't hinting at anything, and I wasn't being sarcastic. My goal wasn't to undermine the staff in any way, considering I've never had a problem with them, nor a reason to. The staff is great, the best team I've seen in any kind of gaming community, and I've only had positive interactions with them.

After reading the earlier chat log, I still stand by the idea I had offered. If woozell had failed to stop his offending actions after being told to stop, he should have simply been kicked. I feel like that would prevent stress on the staff, the victim, and violator. 

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