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Island Makeover
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January 23, 2015
12:53 pm
Caveman_Dave
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Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this, but I'm a little flustered.

I have an island in Arda (2354ish, 5116ish) that, one way or another, I am GOING to flatten. Yes, I am aware of the 40 x 40 rule, as that is what is flustering me.
I've got a vision for this island. And it's not bumpy. It's flat and grassy. But the problem is that it doesn't have many buildings. A tiki bar, a sky spawner, maaaaybe a fishing shack. It'll have paths going around and lightposts and trees, but not many buildings. Is there a way that I can be issued a formal, approved excuse from the 40 x 40 rule? Or if not, maybe a formal, approved bending of the rules? If all of that fails, I'm going to need ideas for what to build. I'm not a creative person. All help is very much appreciated!
I understand the whole flatten, build, flatten, build concept, but there's not much to build. Will the improvements I have in mind be suitable? If so, I would recommend altering the rule to say that flattening with the intent to prettify is acceptable, or even bump it up to something like 50 x 50 or 75 x 75. But I'm not in charge of that, so if not, I'm gonna need a hand with the whole brain-making-up-things-that-I-should-build debacle.

Thanks if you can help in any way shape or form.
As a derp, absolutely every bit of constructive feedback is taken into account and I am grateful for it all.

Maybe I'll see you in the island sometime :P

-Cave 

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January 23, 2015
1:49 pm
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I understand what you're saying, Dave, but please try to understand where we're coming from on this rule.  Back in Vetronia, when there was no flattening rule, we ended up with so many flattened scars on the land.  Look at Sibbit's Navarro, or robplusplus' island, just to name two instances.  Players who had every intention of making the land beautiful, and then left the server (both were banned, but they still left).  And left flattened, it's nearly impossible to get other players excited about the area.

Hence the flattening rule, to make SURE that flattened land is used.  I appreciate that you want to "prettify" the island, but I personally don't think that flattening IS pretty.  Neither does staff, otherwise Arda would be a Superflat map.

All of this to say, please understand that staff doesn't want land flattened if it isn't going to be used.  EVERYONE who starts a flattening has intention to make it pretty, and very few actually carry it through.  The 40x40 is a guideline; we're not going to measure.  But we are not going to allow for whole islands or massive areas to be flattened and then abandoned anymore.  It's up to staff to decide (as in all cases) whether the rule is being violated.

I can't say we won't make an exception, but we need to know more than that you have "good intentions."  You say that there won't be many buildings on it.  And in the past you have left the server for extremely long periods of time, which if it happens again means this flattened island will lie a flat scar in the ocean.  I personally have to question whether such little use requires this size of an island, and what is wrong with the little elevation that's there.  So I have to ask, before I can weigh any further:  Why does it have to be flattened, when you aren't actually going to be doing much with it?

 

Alternatively, of course, the island is just about 200x200 blocks, needing 40,000 claim blocks.  You could get that with 280,000 shillings, or even more effectively with 400 hours of play (a few weeks, for active players).  Or any combination thereof.  And once you own it with a claim, the flattening rule does not apply.

 

Until then, I've noticed that you've already done a good bit of leveling.  On VC, asking forgiveness is not better than asking for permission, so please make sure you're not already in violation of the rule.  If you think you are, then you are.

"Awake, oh man, and be wise." -Thoth
January 23, 2015
2:55 pm
Caveman_Dave
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Thanks for your reply.

I am currently working on accruing enough claim blocks to fully claim the island, that way there will be none of this nonsense in the future.
To answer your question about why I'm flattening it: It's simply because I do not like the terrain that generated there. It was ugly and too bumpy. Not the island that I want attached to my name. The new thing won't be completely flat (that may have caused a bit of confusion, my apologies.), but it will have little elevation change. I agree with the mods saying that absolutely flat is ugly, but the way the island was..... I couldn't have left it.
With regards to the bottom bit: I plan to do a bit more flattening, but not really all that much. 1 layer left for the most part, and even then, not across much of the island. I personally do not feel that I am in violation of the rule, as I have made sure to only dig areas about 40 x 40 (without meticulously measuring), I have built a few improvements, planted trees, temporarily torched the place, am currently replacing the sand with grass, and, as I mentioned before, am slowly acquiring claim blocks. It doesn't sound like this will be much of an issue, but if my interpretation of building does not match up with the mods', I'd be more than willing to do more improving. Just let me know. Obviously, punishment would be up to you, but if I'm banned or something extreme like that (which I absolutely intend to not be), I cannot amend the issue.

-Cave 

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January 25, 2015
4:47 pm
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Caveman_Dave said
The new thing won't be completely flat (that may have caused a bit of confusion, my apologies.), but it will have little elevation change. I agree with the mods saying that absolutely flat is ugly, but the way the island was..... I couldn't have left it.

This makes all the difference.  We are not opposed to terraforming (just look at I what I've done), only to an obliteration of terrain.  If you're simply removing variations, that's not the same thing.

For now, I'll give preliminary approval for you to continue based on what you've said, just please be sure to make sure it's "done" if you're going to leave again.

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January 25, 2015
5:51 pm
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Ah, that would partially explain my confusion.

The rule in question explicitly uses the term terraforming to explain the offense. As it was in quotes, I thought it was official. I now understand it is poking fun at the term used to explain flattening. And it will get done. Unless Minecraft breaks again.  😛
However, there are sections of land that are 40 x 40 or pretty significantly larger that are completely flat in order to fit into the landscape. Does that change your decision on approval? 

Thanks!
-Cave 

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January 25, 2015
8:45 pm
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Sorry for the confusion.  For now, let's just say the island is all part of a single build.  Staying legal means that the entire build is done, and that it's not left like a scar.  That means doing what you said with vegetation, paths, a few buildings, etc.  We'll grant provisional approval to disregard the 40x40 rule so long as that happens.  Just try to, whenever possible, leave the basic terrain shape intact.

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January 26, 2015
1:20 pm
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The basic island shape will remain.
The acne has been removed.
Thank you for your help!

-Cave 

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