



8:04 am
August 31, 2011

Howdy people, Okarim, harbourmaster of Cape Town here. I am here to announce to you a contest to design Cape Town's flagship, the Goede Hoop (Good Hope)! While only one design will get this honour, there are still prices for runnerups.
Time and Place
The contest will last two weeks, starting today. The deadline will be June 19 (Tuesday) at 24:00 GMT. It will not take place in VeteranCraft, since a lot of materials would go into such a design, ones that not everyone has. Instead, everyone will be allowed to build their design in Creative Singleplayer. This way neither death nor materials will get in the way of building optimal designs!
Winners will be announced on June 22 (Tuesday), with images and feedback of all participating designs. Prices will be paid out directly after the winner announcement.
The Reward
First Place: 50.000 shillings
Second Place: 30.000 shillings
Third Place: 20.000 shillings
The victor's design will be built as the flagship of Cape Town's portalfleet, Her Majesty The Goede Hoop. She will be located at the far West side of the Cape Town Port. Other submitted designs will be kept available for future usage, either in Cape Town's service, that of other cities or the government's.
The Tools
Players are to design the ship in Singleplayer, then turn in the world savefile. I myself will use MCEdit to extract the designs into schematics, which can be loaded into the Minecraft Structure Planner to assist in building the ship in VeteranCraft. A player could also use the Structure Planner, but I imagine it's easier for you to be able to walk through the ship as you build it.
Judgement
I am the sole judge for this contest. Keep in mind that no matter how many people make a submission, inadequate designs will simply not qualify. Making a square hull without any details and non-curved sails does not qualify as an adequate design. On the other hand, if a lot of people submit decent designs, runner-ups can still receive a reward for their efforts.
Ship Requirements
Hull width: 15 blocks
Hull length: 72~78 blocks
Maximum Design Size: 25x100x80
Masts: 3~4
Sails angle: 45-degrees for all main sails, straight for all extra sails
Sails: Cyan as main colour
Embossing: Lapis
Cannons: Required, Obsidian design
Required Layers: Hold, Gundeck, Maindeck, Forecastle+Aftcastle
Further Layers: Extra decks and/or layers in forecastle and/or aftcastle are up to the designers.
Requirement Notes
No further requirements are stated here, as to not limit the creativity of the designers. After all, something that might sound good on paper could look bad when built, or vice versa. As such, how many layers the ship will have, entrances-size+location, exact width+height of the sails, cannon-density, cannon-distribution over the layers, all these depend on the designer's concept and as such no requirements regarding those are stated here. Aim for what looks good and seems reasonably realistic.
In comparison, the well-known Vetropolis Ships have a hullsize of 13x58, with a total size of 17x78x59. They have 3 masts with 2/3/2 45-degrees angled sails of different sizes, as well as small straight extra sails at the back and front. Their hulls are embossed, their forecastle exists of 1 layer and the aftcastle of 2 layers. They have a gundeck with 10 cannons on each side, main deck, forecastle and aftcastle all contain 2 cannons on each side, as well as 2 cannons pointing forward inside the forecastle. All cannons are of the default 4-long design, with obsidian as cannon and stone slabs as the support. The Goede Hoop will be about 25% longer than those ships.
How You Can Join
You can join by posting a message here stating that you will be attempting to build a design. There is no deadline to when such an intent must be declared, nor does it require you to actually turn in a design. When done, the savefile must be uploaded to the web and a link must be sent to me by PM. Public posts are allowed but keep in mind that would allow others to rip off your design.
8:42 am
August 16, 2011

Lots of requirements, but I'll give it a go. One question though, you are saying that you want your ship to be about 25% longer. However, the hull length for your ship is "72-78," while the maximum length for Frell's are still 78. Or are you referring to the smaller size of 58? That leads to another question, what do you consider to be added into the total length, instead of the normal hull size?
9:01 am
August 31, 2011

With hullsize I mean the core hull, ignoring bowsprit and other parts sticking out. Bowsprit and sails sticking out over the sides and back are included in the maximum size of 25x100. The core hull is in the 15x(72~78). With frelling's design, the hull itself is 13x58 whereas with sails and bowsprit included the total design is 17x78.
9:27 am

Viceroy

Senior Mod
June 1, 2012

10:13 am

Viceroy

Senior Mod
June 1, 2012

4:35 pm
August 16, 2011

10:30 pm
November 4, 2011

9:47 pm
March 18, 2012

Question. I understand that the cannons are required, but can I use a different type of block instead of Obsidian? Obsidian only comes in simple block form (no stairs or half-blocks) and makes it hard to design a cannon with my current cannon design.
If it's my only choice, I understand. I just wanted to make sure before I commit to a design. Thanks!
P.S.: I guess this would be my informal "tossing my hat into the ring".
5:43 am
August 31, 2011

Sorry that your design clashes with them, I like someone making their own design. Unfortunately, the obsidian one has become standard on all my designs, like in frell's, so it'd be weird to use something else on the flagship. :< I do am interested in your own design, so it's a shame it's not an option for the flagship.
9:30 pm
August 16, 2011

10:11 pm
March 18, 2012

2:16 am
August 31, 2011

billyb87 said
Hi, my design is done. You can send the shillings whenever is convenient for you. Ty sir.
*fires all cannons at the tub*
Out of curiosity, Spectator, what kind of cannon-design are you using exactly? The normal 3x4x1 design used by Vetropolis and Capetown tends to fit in quite decently with the ships.
6:49 am

Viceroy

Senior Mod
June 1, 2012

I can understand MrSpectator's cannon design issues. The 3x4x1 standard design, with a space in-between, means that it takes 4 blocks of length per cannon. It looks great for the ships they're currently being used with, but in the end they're not very space efficient. Especially when holding to quasi-realistic hull sizes, 4 meters between each cannon just isn't.
Still, removing the slabs from the sides of the cannons for a 1x4x1 cannon doesn't really look very good. I'm just removing the space in-between the cannons. With my current hull, that allows for about 12 cannons per side on the gundeck.
Oh, Okarim, you stated a max hull width of 15, but does that include "flourishes?" My main hull is 15, but I'd like to do things like stairs on the upper edge of the deck, just for accent and such. Example pic:
Is this alright, or is 15 a "hard limit" for the width below the sails? Thanks! It's moving along and will be done on time.
8:10 am
August 31, 2011

One thing you can do with cannons is merging them, so it's slab-obs-slab-obs-slab. I'm already using that for the back cannons at my small scout design. Another would be raising the ship and adding a second gundeck. It all depends on how many cannons you want in your design, of course, and how dense. Though the sound of a lot of cannons sounds awesome, it means I outgun Vetropolis. 😀
Hullsize 15: Flourishes are an option but I'd like for the Goede Hoop to theoretically fit through a 17-wide not-too-high canal*. Flourishes at a decent height shouldn't be much of an issue, though it would have to look as not part of the main hull. The 1:5 ratio is one of the thinnest ships around, which makes it look more sleek.
*: The canal connecting the Ocean and the SW Sea is 17 wide, its walls are 5 high. If possible for your design, flourishes at height 6+ would fit. However, this isn't a requirement, since I doubt the ship's destination will be in the SW Sea. The main part of the design is to look nice, so the design is up to you. If you want flourishes at a lower height, feel free.
12:22 pm

Viceroy

Senior Mod
June 1, 2012

Great, that sounds perfect. My cannon design actually uses stone steps instead of slabs, if that's alright, which look a little more realistic. So step-obs-step-step-obs-step-etc. I'll keep the merged design in mind for the fore and aft castles, though.
Ok, that explanation helps a lot. The hull is 15 wide from 5 down (actually from 2 down, it's only 13 wide), with the cannons the only thing that makes it 17 wide until you get to 8 high, which is where those step flourishes come into play. I think right now it feels very sleek, especially how the bow and stern and keel are formed.
Thanks.
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