


12:49 pm

Viceroy

Senior Mod
June 1, 2012

This post is VERY belated. My apologies.
When we updated to 1.8, it was initially unknown that Ocean Monuments (Temples) would pop up in Arda. It was certainly a surprise to me. But they did! Or if they didn't, they at least saw Guardian spawning at the locations where they would have been.
The policy was that Temples in the OR could not be claimed, because they were a limited public resource in our resource world. They must be maintained for all players. But the Temples in Arda....those could be claimed, as Arda is for builds.
What staff failed to take into account, was that the "Guardian Farm" designs violate our Build Rules:
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Do not build structures in/on/across the ocean, natural lakes, or rivers unless the structure is properly supported, the structure you are building is submerged at least 5 blocks under the surface, and/or the shore is solid and looks natural.
The basic design of these Farms is to have a cube or rectangular box from sea floor to sea level. The walls of these boxes are sheer, and there is no water on top of them.
Which brings me back to the problem of now we have several Farms in Arda that are in violation with the Rules.
Since it is so belated, and since it is staff's (really my own) fault for not noting the violations or enforcing the rules right away, we're going to be very lenient on this, but we DO want them fixed. While staff may not have noted that violations would be caused by these Farms, players on VC are expected to know the Rules and follow them without us having to catch you, and these ARE violations of the long-standing Build Rule regarding ocean structures. So here is what we will do:
Players who CURRENTLY have finished Guardian Farms may either:
- Layer as much water on top of the Farm as possible, between 1-5+ layers. We will allow a Variance in the submerged depth requirement if you can't do 5+ layers without interfering with the function of the Farm. But you must have at least 1 block of water at sea level, on top of your farm. More if you can manage it.
- Create an island around the Farm. Maybe require those who use the Farm to put in some materials of sand or cobble or somesuch. Make the island look natural. Once you have solid and sloped island with natural contours, you'd be in compliance. We will allow enough time for these islands to be made, but we do want to see progress.
Players wishing to make NEW Guardian Farms MUST follow the existing build rules, and either have the build submerged 5 or more blocks below the surface, or must build the natural/solid island at the same time that the Farm is built. Failure to do so from here on out will have the build removed.
For those who currently have Guardian Farms, we need to know you exist so your Farm is accepted as existing. Here is what I would like to see in the form of a response here:
- Identification of your Farm. Coords, Dynmap link, pics, etc.
- Help with identifying other Farms you may know about, in case those owners don't see this thread. Better yet, let them know so they can post here themselves.
- A statement of which of the two methods of compliance you intend to do. If the first one, we need to know if you're unable to submerge the full 5 blocks.
- A timeframe for coming into compliance with the Rules. For islands, we understand this will be longer, but we will need some timeframe. But look at it this way....while you're working on compliance, the Farm can be active and getting you materials!
As I said, we'll be lenient and allow plenty of time for existing Farms to come into compliance, but if we don't see interest or movement in complying, the farms may (and will) eventually be removed.
Lastly, Farms in the OR (or the SR in future updates) will not be required to comply with the Build Rule, so long as the Farm is kept public and open.
This is the decision of VC Staff. Please feel free to ask any questions if you need clarification, but any posts arguing about the decision itself will be deleted. Thank you.
1:25 pm
April 21, 2015

I appreciate the detailed clarification, understanding and support of the staff.
As for the submerged option. I currently would need a minimum of 6x6 for the elevator entrance. Is that OK as long as everything else is submerged? Does it need to look like a small island itself? (If so I'm thinking palm tree )
Community Guardian Farm
Location: 2903 61 7464
http://maps.veterancraft.net/a.....038;z=7464
Method (submerged): Most of the farm can safely be 4 blocks below but I have one area that the redstone forces us to be only 1 block submerged. To be honest, it's not a big deal for me to rebuild that lower to comply so I'll start on that.
2:57 pm

Viceroy

Senior Mod
June 1, 2012

AdmlAdama said
I appreciate the detailed clarification, understanding and support of the staff.
You're welcome!
As for the submerged option. I currently would need a minimum of 6x6 for the elevator entrance. Is that OK as long as everything else is submerged? Does it need to look like a small island itself? (If so I'm thinking palm tree
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Even a small island needs to go down to the ocean floor. I would go one of two routes: 1) Create a floating vessel, like a ship, that could serve to house the elevator, or 2) Have an airlock submerged 5 blocks below the surface and start the elevator there, and have a ladder to get from the ocean to the balloon.
Community Guardian Farm
Location: 2903 61 7464
http://maps.veterancraft.net/a.....038;z=7464
Method (submerged): Most of the farm can safely be 4 blocks below but I have one area that the redstone forces us to be only 1 block submerged. To be honest, it's not a big deal for me to rebuild that lower to comply so I'll start on that.
Timeframe: 1 week (Lord willing)
Excellent, thanks for the this. 4 blocks is fine, and even the single block submerged only 1 is acceptable.
Thanks for being accommodating.
3:32 pm

Ambassador
Members
November 10, 2013

I apologise firstly, I didn't even think of rule breaking
My Guardian farm is located at -19128 62 18200
Most of it is under 1 level of water (so nobody could drown in my claim) but I can make it 5 levels (does this include the outer walls ?) I can submerge the outer walls to under 5 levels of water too.
I too have an entrance leading from the surface, it is 4x4 and filled with water (about 30 levels of water)
Timeframe = I was currently working on another project, but will put that on hold for now, depending if I can get online (I don't play everyday) 1 maybe 2 weeks ? I hope this is fine with Staff.
Thank you
4:10 pm

Viceroy

Senior Mod
June 1, 2012

SpyBorg said
I apologise firstly, I didn't even think of rule breaking![]()
My Guardian farm is located at -19128 62 18200
Most of it is under 1 level of water (so nobody could drown in my claim) but I can make it 5 levels (does this include the outer walls ?) I can submerge the outer walls to under 5 levels of water too.
I too have an entrance leading from the surface, it is 4x4 and filled with water (about 30 levels of water)
Timeframe = I was currently working on another project, but will put that on hold for now, depending if I can get online (I don't play everyday) 1 maybe 2 weeks ? I hope this is fine with Staff.
Thank you
![]()
Thank you. Yes, if you can manage 5 levels, please do so, even the outer walls. For the entrance please see the previous recommendation, either a boat or a fully-submerged airlock. The timeframe is fine. Thanks!
4:10 pm
April 21, 2015

4:37 pm
September 18, 2011

Hello. So, I do also have a little guardian farm around 4400; y; 740.
http://maps.veterancraft.net/a.....#038;z=745
It's basically a hole in the ocean floor with a sign ceiling to keep out a lot of ocean above it. Guardians slowly sink into the hole and get burnt. (There has never been a temple in that spot.) However, I've to confess that the hole is partially covered with a dirt layer, because I read that the spawning chance would increase, if there's an intransparent block between the spawning block an the sky. While the layer has even still 6 blocks of water above it, it is, more or less, floating. Sorry. If you demand, I can quickly remove it. Although, I'd prefer to simply add some walls, so that the dirt layer is the actual ceiling of my farm and no longer floating. If you want me to do so, I'd need like one or two weeks as I'm not a 24/7 player.
Thank you!
4:54 pm

Viceroy

Senior Mod
June 1, 2012

Pauli90 said
Hello. So, I do also have a little guardian farm around 4400; y; 740.http://maps.veterancraft.net/a.....#038;z=745
It's basically a hole in the ocean floor with a sign ceiling to keep out a lot of ocean above it. Guardians slowly sink into the hole and get burnt. (There has never been a temple in that spot.) However, I've to confess that the hole is partially covered with a dirt layer, because I read that the spawning chance would increase, if there's an intransparent block between the spawning block an the sky. While the layer has even still 6 blocks of water above it, it is, more or less, floating. Sorry.
If you demand, I can quickly remove it. Although, I'd prefer to simply add some walls, so that the dirt layer is the actual ceiling of my farm and no longer floating. If you want me to do so, I'd need like one or two weeks as I'm not a 24/7 player.
Thank you!
Adding some walls will be fine, Pauli, thanks!
7:40 pm

Bishop
Members
July 14, 2012

I've got a sort-of guardian farm at this location:
http://maps.veterancraft.net/a.....#038;z=220
- The monument building itself is in pretty much the same state as when I found it (half-missing), and I built it in a way that I could just take it back down fairly easily if I had to.
- There are gravel walls around the whole thing that are submerged 5 blocks below the surface (but the naturally-occurring ocean monument's top is not five blocks below the surface). There's no ceiling.
- The whole monument, from its base to the surface, is still filled with water.
- I dug out about a quarter of the ocean floor where the monument was missing and put up a layer of signs. I drained out a few layers below the signs to funnel the guardians into a kill-zone.
Is there anything obvious that I'd need to fix here to get into compliance? I was making an effort to keep it relatively inconspicuous on the minimap.
There's another guardian farm (not mine) that's due west of mine, but I've forgotten whose it is:
12:47 pm

Viceroy

Senior Mod
June 1, 2012

lagged said
I've got a sort-of guardian farm at this location:http://maps.veterancraft.net/a.....#038;z=220
- The monument building itself is in pretty much the same state as when I found it (half-missing), and I built it in a way that I could just take it back down fairly easily if I had to.
- There are gravel walls around the whole thing that are submerged 5 blocks below the surface (but the naturally-occurring ocean monument's top is not five blocks below the surface). There's no ceiling.
- The whole monument, from its base to the surface, is still filled with water.
- I dug out about a quarter of the ocean floor where the monument was missing and put up a layer of signs. I drained out a few layers below the signs to funnel the guardians into a kill-zone.
Is there anything obvious that I'd need to fix here to get into compliance? I was making an effort to keep it relatively inconspicuous on the minimap.
This is fully in compliance right now. Thanks!
There's another guardian farm (not mine) that's due west of mine, but I've forgotten whose it is:
I'll check it out, thanks.
4:25 pm

Ambassador
Members
May 16, 2014

Hello,
My Guardian Farm is located at -9655, 66, 13095.
My question is: by natural-looking island, does it have do keep the edges right to the bottom, or can I do a natural-looking island, supported by unnatural pillars, like obsidian+glass?
In that case, I would simply reproduce an similar-sized island from Outer Reaches, and keep my gorgeous Sea Windows.
Thanks.
4:39 pm

Viceroy

Senior Mod
June 1, 2012

FrankBlackfire said
Hello,My Guardian Farm is located at -9655, 66, 13095.
My question is: by natural-looking island, does it have do keep the edges right to the bottom, or can I do a natural-looking island, supported by unnatural pillars, like obsidian+glass?
In that case, I would simply reproduce an similar-sized island from Outer Reaches, and keep my gorgeous Sea Windows.
Thanks.
If it's supported by unnatural pillars then it's not natural. No, sorry, for Arda, a natural-looking island needs to go all the way to the sea floor, and be solid.
1:46 pm
April 21, 2015

5:21 pm

Ambassador
Members
November 10, 2013

SpyBorg said
I apologise firstly, I didn't even think of rule breaking![]()
My Guardian farm is located at -19128 62 18200
Most of it is under 1 level of water (so nobody could drown in my claim) but I can make it 5 levels (does this include the outer walls ?) I can submerge the outer walls to under 5 levels of water too.
I too have an entrance leading from the surface, it is 4x4 and filled with water (about 30 levels of water)
Timeframe = I was currently working on another project, but will put that on hold for now, depending if I can get online (I don't play everyday) 1 maybe 2 weeks ? I hope this is fine with Staff.
Thank you
![]()
Thank you. Yes, if you can manage 5 levels, please do so, even the outer walls. For the entrance please see the previous recommendation, either a boat or a fully-submerged airlock. The timeframe is fine. Thanks!
I have re-built the roof of the guardian farm to -5 levels under water, and built a platform with access for other players arriving by boat around the farm entrance, also I have built a balloon that I intend to make into a teleport balloon.
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