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June 19, 2014
11:51 pm
summertree
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On Vetronia, there was a minimum 10 block distance required between residences.  With so much extra space on Arda, perhaps we could increase that minimum?

June 20, 2014
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Now that is a good suggestion!! Thank you. What would most consider a reasonable separation? 25, 50, 100?

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June 20, 2014
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1 or 2 thousand perhaps? hahaha kidding.

 

Great Idea.  I know on Vetronia, "a place to build" meant requesting old sites be demolished, or having to build beside someone.  That interference won't exist for quite some time on Arda.  Perhaps 100+ blocks wouldn't be such a bad request... for now.  Once claims start winding down (when the rich get poor again), we could change that distance.  

 

Now, upon agreement between all parties involved, I think grouping claims together to form Towns, or cities would be a great addition to the comradery of players.  One could even venture the idea of super-cities evolving from it.  

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June 20, 2014
2:32 am
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You still want people to build somewhat near each other, but a big distance (unless a lesser distance is mutually agreed upon) is also real nice. 100 sounds good right now, with exceptions for mutual agreement for either a closer distance or road-claims.

Probably even better if roads & railroads have a distance of 10 or 25 blocks to them, not a distance of 100. After all, if you build a nice connective road and put a claim on it to protect it, it won't be to prevent people claiming near it, it will be to prevent it from getting griefed and blown up by Creepers. So while you wouldn't want cities and houses too close to each other (unless people agree to use a distance of 25), if I connect to city X 2000 blocks away I don't see why anyone would object to a city getting built next to the road.

June 20, 2014
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Honestly, I was considering removing the 10 block limit completely because of how land is gonna be 25x more affordable, so basically people can own what they claim and that's that. The problem with the 10 block limit is you get annoying kids putting burden on staff to enforce a rule because someone built 9 blocks near someone, and it's a waste of time and everything.

 

I feel like it just makes it easier for people to psuedo-claim more land than they are willing to pay for.

 

For these reasons, I think we should not increase, and in fact, remove the limit. Just make your claim as big as you want to keep people out - include whatever buffer zone you want.

 

I am open to discuss this, so feel free to point out any flaws in my above logic.

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June 20, 2014
10:48 am
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Because someone is going to abuse it intentionally or unintentionally at some point in time, I suggest that we make this a Guideline. Players should respect their neighbors and not build within X blocks (100 sounds good) without their consent. The guidlines would not apply in certain circumstances like cities and towns.

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June 20, 2014
12:31 pm
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Just my two cents (for what its worth):

 

I prefer the clear-cut rule that if you don't want somebody to build there, you GP the area.  Something 100 meters away can be concealed in a roofed forest or jungle.  Could you imagine building a castle and then having somebody with an unseen 4x4 cobble box file a complaint because you didn't get their permission?

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June 20, 2014
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I would like to see the limit removed. However add a request that if a person wants to build within say 20 squares of someone else that they should ask that person if it is okay with them. This way you have the chance to explain that you plan to expand that way or such and ask them not to. Basically make it another case of showing consideration to other players. The only time one should get in trouble is if they are purposely building too close to someone just to mess with them. Such as making lots of little plots all around the person to block them in.

June 20, 2014
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greens, you bring up a valid point, but that is what we have staff for. Maybe this will clear things up. We regard offenses against Guidelines as misdemeanors, while offenses against rules as felonies. The guidelines are there to be followed but a breach of one isn't necessary going to get someone a temp- or perma-ban; then again that depends on how behaved they are when staff approaches them an infraction.

In cases of a conflict between a large build and a tiny 4x4; the responsibility lies on both parties shoulders. The smaller claim should make an effort to indicate that there is a claim - a sign, a build, etc. On the other hand, anyone considering a claim should use Dymap to check if there are any nearby claims. If people follow common sense, then there should never be a reason for staff to get involved.

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June 24, 2014
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I may have miss understood this, but isn't the rule 'Build at least 10 blocks away from any other structure unless you have permission'  ? 

Are the rules going to be updated so that it states 'claimed land' not 'other players build' ? (that is if you keep the restriction to 10, 50 or 100 blocks)

 

I think removing the restriction completely could be frustrating to members who don't have enough to claim all the land they want to from the start, but they might plan on expanding later, if somebody else claims land right next to theirs before they have the Shillings/claim blocks to expand, the restrictions on claiming land right next to them gives them a chance....imo

 

I notice that the Server rules on building have not been updated yet http://www.veterancraft.net/gu.....ldingRules 

so I am assuming the 10 block rule still stands atm ?

 

As I have only previously browsed through them quickly, not noticing the Spelling mistake in the PVP sub-section (as I am not a PVP'er I never read it before)... Global Rules.. number 9....- Lilling players is enabled...ect.

 

Thank you guys, and once again Im enjoying it, just wish I had some brilliant ideas for building lol

 

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June 24, 2014
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SpyBorg said
I think removing the restriction completely could be frustrating to members who don't have enough to claim all the land they want to from the start, but they might plan on expanding later, if somebody else claims land right next to theirs before they have the Shillings/claim blocks to expand, the restrictions on claiming land right next to them gives them a chance....imo

This is exactly what I had in mind, the expansion of a claim getting limited or blocked entirely due to lack of initial funds.

June 25, 2014
6:20 pm
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Render distances are different for everyone, depending on their system setups. Some people can see very far out and notice everything around them (know when they're close to other people or structures). Others have to play at minimum render distances due to system constraints -- these people tend not to notice structures around them simply because it's beyond their render distance. I've seen this, alone, as a cause of people building too close to others... not because they intended to do so, but simply because they didn't know anyone else was that close by.

I don't know the capabilities/limits of the grief prevention plugin, but would it be possible to program it to maybe display a warning message when someone attempts to claim an area within (xx) blocks of another claim, saying something like "Warning: You are about to claim an area within (xx) blocks of (player)'s claim. Are you sure you want to proceed?" Something not there to stop them, per se, but serve to let them know there's stuff around them before they stake their claim. If nothing else, this would make someone wanting to make a new claim definitively aware that they're building close enough to someone else that they could run into issues later on.

Whether a minimum-distance-between-claims rule is implemented or not, information like this could definitely be useful to know.

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June 25, 2014
7:13 pm
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What everyone needs to understand is that GriefPrevention is exactly that, a grief prevention tool. If anyone has sights on an area bigger than they can currently protect, mark your territory civilly with torches and signs. This shouldn't be a revolutionary idea. Players have been doing this for a long time.

Granted, its not going to prevent someone from building in an "earmarked" area, but I'm certain that staff will look favorably upon those that have clearly marked their domain. No additional rules and no plugin modifications needed. Now, before everyone gets torch happy and lights up Arda like a Christmas tree, there is a flip side. Mark off only what you can expect to eventually claim. Anyone that marks huge swatches of land beyond reasonable means will probably find themselves on the wrong end of a final decision should an "incursion" occur.

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July 13, 2014
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I discovered I got a tiny claim attached directly to my own. This claim was made a while ago to make a Nether portal to hunt me down in the Nether, at which point I got shot at in my Nether claim and told it was just to show the player was able to track me down. So now I got a Nether portal on the beach near where my wall and lighthouse fort will be. -_-

http://maps.veterancraft.net/?.....38;z=14809

July 13, 2014
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Okarim said
I discovered I got a tiny claim attached directly to my own. This claim was made a while ago to make a Nether portal to hunt me down in the Nether, at which point I got shot at in my Nether claim and told it was just to show the player was able to track me down. So now I got a Nether portal on the beach near where my wall and lighthouse fort will be. -_-

http://maps.veterancraft.net/?.....38;z=14809

Are you looking to expand into the area or is it just an annoyance. If the latter, it will expire in 14 days or less. EDIT: Provided the player doesn't log on. The best way to resolve this is to message the player and request that they remove the claim if it is within 10-blocks of your claim.

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July 13, 2014
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It's just an annoyance, especially since it's a butt-ugly nether portal. I didn't claim most of my beaches because I don't plan to really professionally build on them, even the wall will not be on the beach. They're nothing but a waste of space for me. I'll contact the creator next time I see him, and hope he still has a home set nearby so he can teleport over and abandon the claim.

July 13, 2014
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Oka, you may want to consider claiming them anyways. It may be a "waste of space" to claim it, but it' s annoying, right? For Highmoor, the Residence exists far enough out from the wall to be outside the chunk distsnce. I'm the same way with my Claim done. It makes all the sense in the world to have a buffer if you're likely to be annoyed by "barnacles" like that.

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July 13, 2014
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I'm more annoyed by the fact they did it just to build a portal to bother me in the Nether. If someone really insists on claiming the beaches that will be just outside my wall, fun for them but quite silly and an utter waste since they could live somewhere decent instead.

And sure I could use 12k and half a dozen extra claims (which I'd rather not do) to claim the beaches, or spend 16k and use 2 extra claims plus a bunch of expanded claims, and maybe even pay another 10 grand for a buffer zone, but that feels as if I'm wasting cash on land and boring sand that I will never use, just to prevent some lame jerk from building a disgusting nethergate in sight, and they could still make an ugly building nearby anyway. I already have to vote for 50 days (and adding the 24h-restriction annoyance it's more like 100 days) to earn my portal ship, I don't really feel like adding another 100 days to that just because some people are lame. If they actually intend to live on the beach, more power to them, but if they just want to be a pain then boo.

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