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August 7, 2012
7:46 am
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With the advent of 1.3, we're going to have writable books.  I would like to suggest the development and construction of a Library in Vetropolis to make proper use of this feature.

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Of course, there is a problem with the written books at the moment: they can only be stored in chests, and thus completely unprotected if reading access is to be given.

In order for this to work, I foresee the need for a mod that would place a written book in/on a bookshelf.  Right-clicking on the shelf would "use" the shelf and open the book.  But the shelf, if protected by Res, would remain and the book could only be extracted by the owner destroying the bookshelf block.

I've done a preliminary search of the Bukkit mods and the MCF forum, but I haven't seen anyone working on something like this.  I feel it's only a matter of time, though, and I'll keep an eye out for it. I will also tweet Jens and hope beyond hope that it's seen.

Regardless, I believe that a Library would be a good addition to Vetropolis, and I volunteer my time and services to build such a structure if it's deemed as a good suggestion.  Thanks.Smile

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August 7, 2012
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Hey Light, thanks for the suggestion, but you suck so no.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA just kidding :P . Actually a library/national archives has been conceived for a long time, and I'm glad you stepped forward to volunteer, because I totally trust your building ability and think you'd make a great contribution. The only concern I have is where to build it. Ideally, the spot right behind the capitol would be ideal, however, there is a chunk of river that goes through there. So... we could...

  1. Build a smaller less epic library :(
  2. Reroute the river
  3. Build over the river but have the water channeled underneath like this

As far as the actual function of the books and stuff, I have no idea what could be done to keep griefing from a 'check out' system. If books can be easily duplicated, like maps, maybe we can have a vault section under the library that is protected and has master copies of all books. Then if someone doesn't return a book it's not that big of a deal. IDK.

Anyways, what are your thoughts on the river at the plot? And when do you want to get started?

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August 7, 2012
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Why not make the river a part of the library itself?

This is the best example I could come up with.
http://edinamn.gov/index.php?s.....rtual-tour

August 7, 2012
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Haha, thanks meat. Laugh

Great, I appreciate the confidence!

Of the choices, #1 is certainly out the window.

I think Koit has a good point, rerouting and channelizing the river (which will help for other future development as well), and then making it a part of the structure would be really cool.

Although I sort of think that the best example might be from What Dreams May Come:

As for when I could start, I really like the look of the darker wood in libraries, so getting pine steps and slabs would mean waiting for 1.3.  However I could start on the basic work immediately.  I just hope Tootaboo doesn't start destroying the edges of Highmoor in protest that it'll take longer.Kiss

I guess then it's a question of permissions and materials.  Permissions would be easy, I guess, but how would I go about getting the materials?  My own, or from the server?  If I follow in the styles above and in the OP, it would be a LOT of stone brick, pine wood, and glass.

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August 7, 2012
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I was going to say the same thing as Koit - would it be possible to have the river run through the library, with small bridges to get across?  Or if it the structure itself is above the river, have sections of glass floors so you could see the river underneath?  I'm sure LWK can come up with something pretty epic :)

Off topic: @Koit - do you live in Edina?  We take our kids to that park a lot!

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August 7, 2012
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The only thing I can afford to donate would be books. How do 10k books sound?

August 7, 2012
10:07 am
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I have a recommendation for the library,

 

Why not make a version of Trinity college in dublins, Library?

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I though of this library due to "Patriotic" reasons :P Also I do think it is one of the most amazing library's made in Europe.

Also I would like to somehow help in this build, seeing as I do love builds like this.... but thats up to Light to decide.

 

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August 7, 2012
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Actually, it's up to meat. Smile  That is very impressive, though.  I like the interior look a lot, but the exterior not as much.  I would prefer to stick with something more grand like the New York Library (top picture in OP)

I have no problem with help, I can just be a little picky when it comes to design.

Also, keep in mind that there will be limited space, which will influence the design.  One of the sides will be limited to 38 blocks, and the other can only go so far before the river is impacted more than just incorporating it into the design will allow.

Right now I'm thinking....

  • Three stories, 6 blocks high each, plus roof.
    • Main Floor - Circulation, Riverway, Reading Area (second picture in OP)
    • Second Floor - Open areas to Riverway and Reading Area, Stacks
    • Third Floor - Open area to Riverway, Stacks, Restricted Section
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    • Stone brick exterior and load-bearing sections
    • Pine wood interiors and floors
    • Iron fence Railings
    • Lots of glass windows
    • Use of arches

Oka, I'm sure we'll need at least that many books, but let's see what meat can do for materials, too.

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August 7, 2012
11:27 am
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Well my plans are to have 100.000 books by the time we hit 1.3, so just ask me for whatever amount you need when you do the project. =) I also still have over a single chest in iron fences, so I can help there.

August 7, 2012
11:43 am
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Tell me if you will need any help!

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August 7, 2012
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I'm sure that'll come in handy at some point, even if it's not needed here. :)

Work is boring today, so I've started taking a look in CSP how this could look.  It'll give a better idea of how it would be in 1.3, and it'll be helpful in letting me know what I can do right now.

I'm sure there will be plenty to do, Ryan! :)

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August 7, 2012
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Ok, sorry for the double-post, I need to update:

I need some input on what sort of orientation and river alterations need to be made, mostly from meat.

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So the red rectangle is the spot meat was mentioning for the site of the Library.  It is roughly 30-38 (depending on the buffer with the road) and about 50 long.  It can be shorter, but any building of sufficient size is going to  impact the river the same until you get up to where the current buildings are.

The first question is whether to face the entrance at A or B.  Those two sides generally face the spawn, and to face it on the other sides wouldn't really be effective.

The second question is how to modify the river so that the building can work.  Blue keeps it mostly the same, but will channelize it so that it works with the building.  Green gets it out of the way of the library.  And Yellow will get it out of the way for the library AND whatever goes in next door.

Some scenarios:

  • If we choose A for the entrance, then any option of river alignment will work, however as I am testing it the entrance will take up most of the front facade.  If that's ok then fine.
  • Choosing B for the entrance allows for more architectural choices along the front facade, but eliminates the option of the river staying on the Blue line, and thus interacting with the building.
  • The Yellow line appears to be the most effective for future city planning, but also has the most impacts.  It would be a fairly big job, too, to get it looking good.

To me, either A or B will work, depending on what meat would like to see, and in either case I would recommend the Yellow line.  Right now, though, I'm creating a test with A/Blue.

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August 7, 2012
1:26 pm
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For the overall design, why not make one on single player for designs and send it to the builders via skype so we know what we are doing.....

in CSP(creative singleplayer) you can try both designs to see what looks more appealing you and others

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August 7, 2012
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Materials should not be a problem. This will be a government project, so materials may be withdrawn freely from the Armoury. We have enough smooth stone (and therefore stone-brick) to fill in the plot from bedrock to sky.

We don't have that much glass, but thanks in part to Frelling's massive railway project there is a large amount of glass available. If we run short Vetra has at least a double chest we're not using. I believe we also have a double chest of dark wood logs - but don't quote me on that, TooTaboo steals my things.

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August 7, 2012
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Actually, I was thinking you could  have an even bigger more epic building, taking up this whole area. This way you can make the entrance facing spawn without a doubt. Also, I've noticed when building in Vetropolis, you start with a 50x50 and it seems huge but when you get started it really ends up not looking as big. This will be the largest building in the city. I propose it serves the purposes of library and possibly a museum aspect. Maybe like the "Vetropolis National Archives and Museum". That way it has a justification for it's size. Given the river issue, I would rather make it one building than 2, having to incorporate the river into both. What do you think Light?

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As far as how to reroute the river, if at all, I will leave that up to you to decide as well as all the little details of design and stuff. I'd rather you just say 'this is what my design is' yes or no, and I sign off from there. I doubt anything you propose will be vetoed.

Yes, you're free to use tons of stone and stone brick but you are also welcome to use any other material that would fit in well at spawn: red brick (like VCU) possibly smooth sandstone? clay block?

Materials: You're free to all the materials you want from the armory, which between it and the gov shop has over 100,000 smooth stone. There's also a ton of clay and other mats. Just ask any staff to restock you if I'm not there, and you'll be good. Also, TONS of people in the community would be happy to donate (ie Okarim). Mats won't be an issue, just focus on a kick ass design and take your time. You have the government's resources at your disposal.

Heck, even if you need gold block for the project, the bank vault is open to us.

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August 7, 2012
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Oh, and yeah this would involve removing the road that goes down the middle. We would then re-build a new bridge rerouted to the south side of the island.

By the way, this might look big, but really it would only be around the size of one wing of Vetropolis University. Also, a larger building would be better for having a river flow through the middle of it (like a giant atrium)

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August 7, 2012
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Given how every 1k books would value at ~8 emerald blocks, so 20.000 books would already be 160 emerald blocks, if the library gets too big I might desire a teeny bit of compensation from the government, but I will gladly supply as many books as is required. My current stockpile already is 40k, so I will hopefully bypass 100k with ease.

August 7, 2012
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excuse me but MY GOD!

thats a big area.... am still happy to help  even though it massive, I think that the look of NY library with your own design of course and the inners of Trinity would look nice,I mean with that build size you could have 3 good floors and the first floors open area could also have exhibits all the way down it....

 

but again its but to Light

 

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August 7, 2012
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Holy crap, I just gave a little "Eep" of excitement! Laugh

Ok, new plan.  Something this large will take me a few days to scope out and design.  With that much space, we should be able to do something very epic.  I think it would look best to line the entrance up with the road passing between the Rail Station and City Hall.  It would be off-center on the property, but would present the best approach.

The river, if we channelize it to the back side of the "Vetropolis National Archives and Museum" (or Archives for short), it should work fine.

I'll take some measurements tonight and start brainstorming a layout.  Meat, if you want to move this out of Suggestions, I'll use this thread for posting my ideas and WIPs.  Once I have an idea of what sort of materials we'll need, I'll let you all know so  we can start drawing from the Armory.

Thanks again, I'm looking forward to this!

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August 7, 2012
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I personally think you guys should do a slightly elevated look with some glass floors at places to let the rive go beneath it untouched. Some nice vaulted supports down below and maybe a walking path to move from road to road beneath the archives would be cool. Also, by having sections of the building elevated, you break up the monotony of a flat building and add more interesting architecture.

Just my 2 shillings. Smile

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