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Building a Northland Viking island in ocean
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January 6, 2014
7:14 am
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I would like to have your permission to build in ocean.

-coordonates: 3063,65,-4753 / 3166,65,-4651

The scale of my project is to build an other medieval village (looking like vicking buildings in a cold look of northlands). I would work with my girlfriend on this project like i did on previous builds.

-I've ammassed over 100,000 shillings last year for that northland viking project (and im still making about 1,000-2,000shillings per day to make sure i could eventually put a drakkar as a portal ship (wich we don't have on server yet =D )

-Like i've said before, i've built a medieval village on the server before for new players to come in and to continue that idea of a medieval community on the server...

 

...But now that i did it and that they have a full village for them, i'm requesting to have a part of ocean to build on it. 

I've worked before too on natural looking of the turtle beach with Rosis* (Not 100% sure if her name was Rosis or something like that) but we were working for the server. I've also helped Sony(the player) when he was doing that natural pvp area in 5126,65,180.

 

To conclude, i apologized for starting my island before requesting it, i accept to remove it if i didn't convinced you yet after that, but i would really like to recieve your improvement.

 

*I will add some pictures of the part of the ocean im requesting and some others of my previous medieval projects.

 

signed by: Gornos_735, Eric Roseberry

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January 6, 2014
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January 6, 2014
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And finally the coordonates im requesting for my projects. 2014-01-06_08.36.46.pngImage Enlarger2014-01-06_08.36.49.pngImage Enlarger2014-01-06_08.36.51.pngImage Enlarger

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January 6, 2014
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Oh and if you have proposition for my project of northland viking island to be accepted, im pretty sure we could find a deal for the server and my project.

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January 6, 2014
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oh and i forgot to tell you that i didn't built the ENTIRE island. There was already 2 natural island there before i added dirt arround it. 

 

one was about 20 per 30 blocks shape and the second was about 40 per 40 blocks shape. Oh and there's also a third little island close to it 5 per 5 blocks shape like you can see on the pictures.

 

signed: Gornos_735, Eric Roseberry

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January 6, 2014
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I can't get on at the moment, but I'll respond to get the ball rolling.

Looking just from the Dynmap location and your posts, I do have concerns:

1) Permission isn't supposed to be retroactive.  By starting the project before getting permission, I'm already skeptical.  "No ocean building without permission" is pretty clear in the rules, and it's not "Let us know after you broke the rules that you want to be exempted from them."  Again, I can't make a ruling before seeing this in game, but I've lost track of how many artificial islands we've removed, and how many users have been forced to remove their own islands within 24 before they're banned for violating build rules.  The last picture you're showing seems to indicate that right now you just have a floating square of dirt on the ocean....if that's the case I highly recommend removing the artificial work you've done, restore the original islands, and carry on the request from there.

2) If it IS the case that you right now have just a floating dirt square, we do need assurances that it will be filled in.  Approved ocean builds can not be hollow. We removed a very large area recently off this coast, which had multiple builds on it, because it was hollow and built over the ocean without permission.  All structures built on it, and all items inside, were claimed by the server.

3) While there have been some approved in the past, I personally do not approve islands that are square in shape.  There must be some assurance that the island will look natural.  You mentioned Turtle Beach, which helps, but with the project as it currently looks, I could not accept it.

 

Tony, or someone else, may be able to take a look at it, but I will say my preliminary finding is that within the next 24 hours the island needs to be filled with a natural coastline, just as if MC had generated it, or it needs to come down.  If you need longer than 24 hours, we can talk about approving something, but not what you currently have built.  

I'll be able to say more on it tonight after I'm able to get online.  Good luck.

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January 6, 2014
9:47 am
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Yeah i had the conversation this morning with Emulated. I know if the project is rejected i will remove the beginning of the island but yeah, like i said, i've read the rules but i just forgave that rule about islands. I knew there was a rule about floating buildings and underwater buildings but when i helped players before to build islands on the server, i never took the time to came to see if they had post something about it. 

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January 6, 2014
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and i was goign to fill the under with gravel like seen on the first picture**

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January 6, 2014
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and like i've said to emulated, the square is not the final shape of the island. If i could give a preview of the island shape i was expecting...i could bring you an overview with paint or something like that.

And i know how to make it look 100% natural like i said before. 

My way to work when doing an island or something else like that is to start with a favorable size and then to add the natural shape by removing parts and adding some others, by digging lakes, river in it or by creating plains and montains, by adding sand, gravel, dirt and grass. 

 

I know it's your job to make sure everything's looking natural but i have to said, after the help i've gave in the past to the server and to players (even if the moderators never took a real look at it), im a bit surprised that you care about my work. If you look at my buildings, you prabably see that im not very rich but im still doing my buildings and the environment around looking all natural and the most realistic as possible. (example: my houses have beams and im building structures by starting with fondations and wood beams before starting the walls and everything..)

 

I'm not that kind of player who does a big cobblestone square as a house on a floating big dirt square...

 

I like the natural looking of a world too and that,s why im not even building impossible structures or boring unrealistic environment. 

 

*Notice that i'm not building on flat world too, i like when a village has plains and montains arround it (maybe not if it's a modern village but anyway) All that to simply said, if the project seems good to you, i will make sure the result will be natural and will respect the rules of islands. 

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January 6, 2014
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before starting the remove process or the shape process, i would like you to give me your opinion about the final result i was expecting. Like i've said before, if the project is refused, i will remove it totally (even if it takes me a more time than 24hours (because of school principally). 

*The 100x100 square is the middle part of the island.

 

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January 6, 2014
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If you've spoken with Emulated about it, then I will let him give the final say.

I don't mean to come down hard on you; I really have these same concerns with anyone who builds in the ocean or the sky....and I DO appreciate your posting this request instead of us finding it later and having to nuke it.  Typically that is what happens, and my concerns are mainly to make sure we don't have to nuke your build for being illegal and/or ban you.

The final shape of the island as you show it would be acceptable to me, although I would say that "going to fill it under" doesn't sit well with me.  Please fill as you go, not after.

If you can fill below the square you have now before you go any further with making the island, and then build the island similar to how you show it....including sloping shores underwater, NOT vertical walls, then I'm alright with allowing this to proceed.Smile

But as I said, since you've already spoken to Emulated about it, I'll let him give the final say.

One final warning, though....permission to proceed from staff is contingent on you following through with what you say you will do.  I'm not saying you won't do it right, but it needs to be said: getting permission here won't matter if the end result violates our build rules.

Good luck!

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January 6, 2014
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tkx for the time you're taking with my project and tkx to understand my point of view. 

 

I only hope now that Emulated will agree my project at this point too. I don't want to be or to cause problems for the server, i want the best for veterancraft and i appreciate that you support us and our projects initiatives. 

 

signed: Gornos_735, Eric Roseberry

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January 6, 2014
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I've removed the floating platform, as no matter how we do this it's a violation of our rules.

I'm not going to approve the island expansion at this time. The island you're attempting to expand is incredibly small. Please spend some time scouting for a larger base, even taking into consideration you may have to post a removal request for it's existing structures.

Outside of that, also consider building this village on the mainland.

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