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Vetropolis Land Reclamation Project
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August 8, 2012
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OK I have been agonizing over the size and layout of Vetropolis for a while now, seeing it get harder and harder to find land at the city center to build on. We still have quite a few projects we want to include in the city and at the moment there is nowhere to expand to, as you can see from the thread about the Vetropolis Library.

Before I go on, I know I'm kinda the 'mayor' of Vetropolis, but it is the capitol of Vetronia so I do want to treat it as such and not just make an empirical decision without regardless of any other opinions.

The Issues:

  • Vetropolis still requires several large scale construction projects (National Archives, National Museum, Theatre, and more) that currently have nowhere to be built without interfering with the southern half of the island
  • The southern half of the island is primarily a nature reserve area that we'd like to preserve as much as possible with the exception of the airport and cemetery.

Proposed Solution

  • A land reclamation project that encompasses 2 areas: the north shore & the river valley
  • Demolition of the government shop (to be rebuilt elsewhere)
  • Demolition of the river bridge & road
  • Added land would preserve the river, as well as add space for 11 shops & at least 12 more large scale buildings, all in the northern side of the island, still central to the heart of the plaza.

What do I Mean Reclamation?

Most of you know exactly what I mean but for those of you who don't, essentially reclaiming land from the ocean, and rerouting the river to make more room to build. This is a practice that has been very common even back hundreds of years when civilizations run into the issues we have here. Even Manhattan Island has a large amount of reclaimed land that used to be water. Look at how the shore has changed:

Lower Manhattan

1766                                           1834                                          2004

 

 

 

 

 

 

My point here is to show that this is totally realistic and practical and 'legit'.

North Shore Reclamation

The proposal for the north shore reclamation is to basically fill in a large portion of land as pictured here:

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This would include demolishing the government shop (rebuilding elsewhere), and running 2 roads north into the area. The layout of the streets here is just an example of how it could be, not a final design. As you can see there would be more room to build quite a few more buildings, and still stay close to spawn. The buildings would be on the same scale we have in Vetropolis already, which is awesome.

River Project

My proposal for the river is as follows:

  • Reroute it, keeping it natural, just in a new location
  • It will still pass by the portal building
  • It will leave room for the national archives without needing to do some integration of the river in the project
  • Build a protected area (Park) around the river. 
  • Reclaim an area of land near the shop district that would still keep the river in tact, but make room for more shops as well as another medium sized building

As this image shows, the river would be rerouted a bit south, but keep its natural river look, curving through the island. It would also put the National Archives plot in line with 2 city blocks, letting the road come by on both sides, leaving room for 2 bridges if need be.

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The area in green would be upkept park area, red would be the National Archives as well as 1 more building the size of the hospital, and the pink represents 11 more shops. As you can see, the river remains natural looking and would still flow and be preserved.

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I might modify this thread as I think of new things to add to it, but the basic idea is out there now. I really want to know what frelling and the staff think of the idea... as well as anyone else who's been around a long time.

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August 8, 2012
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I love it. :)

You're absolutely right, it totally makes sense, and I agree that the river can still remain natural even if re-routed.  I also love the idea for the northern area as well.  *ahem* Residential District? *ahem*

From a planning perspective, I would recommend doing a "long range plan" while you're thinking about this stuff and think about not just these two areas, but the land outside them as well.  For instance:

  • The forest land between the River Project and the Airship Port
  • The peninsula to the west of the Prison
  • Additional areas for far-future reclaimation

Thinking about them now, even if nothing happens on them for another year or two, will help guide the current development.  For example, the buildings that now need to be demolished like the Utility Building and the Gov't Shop.

Anyways, those are just thoughts.  I love the idea, and just let me know if you and staff needs any help outside the Archives project.

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August 8, 2012
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i love it. do you have any supplies you need that i can supply

August 8, 2012
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I like it.

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August 8, 2012
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I am happy Laugh

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August 8, 2012
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*ahem* Residential District? *ahem*

Actually, if you look at what I've been laying out on the east side of the island, you'll see the future residential aspect of Vetropolis. The details haven't been announced yet, but for now I will say it will be a place where members of the server can build a piece of home in Vetropolis. The plots are small, on purpose. It is an urban townhome development. It will be very dense, but with plenty of room to build a decent sized home as you can see from the 2 spec homes I've started. There will be around 200 plots which will have some guidelines to build in order to keep with the theme of the development. Details will come in following weeks.

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August 8, 2012
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Ahhh, I had seen that, but I wasn't sure so I didn't say anything. :)

I just re-read the OP and noticed the bit about the nature preserve.  So scratch my first bullet-point, but maybe there's some way to formalize the transition instead of the roads just "ending?"  I'm sure you know I could go whole-hog City Planner on this, but that's probably not needed or wanted, so I'll just offer the bits where I feel they're welcome.Wink

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August 8, 2012
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LightWarriorK said
... I'm sure you know I could go whole-hog City Planner on this, but that's probably not needed or wanted, so I'll just offer the bits where I feel they're welcome.Wink

And what's wrong with teaching us a few new tricks? Laugh I certainly, would be interesting in hearing your suggestions.

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August 8, 2012
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As for land reclamation, I am dutch and I support this project.

August 8, 2012
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frelling said 

And what's wrong with teaching us a few new tricks? Laugh I certainly, would be interesting in hearing your suggestions.

Thanks, frell. :D  I don't want to hijack meat's discussion here, so I'll put it in the Planning thread.  Tomorrow, though, since I plan through maps, and it will be easier when I can use Photoshop.

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August 8, 2012
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OK so it sounds like the plan has initial support, meaning I hereby approve the plan. As for now, the priority is the river side of things (to make sure Light is able to take on the construction project of the National Archives.

I will work to start outlining the new path of the river (which remains unnamed but should have a name as we start fiddling with it more- (any ideas?)

Once laid out, I'll start taking volunteers to help with the manual labor to fill in the old river as well as dig the new one.

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August 8, 2012
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Light: Don't you wish real life projects were proposed and approved as quickly? lol.

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August 8, 2012
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Good, good. This will be a fun project!

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August 8, 2012
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OK, so I've got the outline of the new river pretty much laid out, of course some natural erosion and smoothing will be done when it's complete. Any staff who don't need special perms that feel like working on it, go for it. Dirt's in the armory.

@Light: I've outlined and subzoned the plot for the National Archives. It is a little smaller and less epic than originally thought, but given the new land plans, we can now have a whole different building just as a museum, and dedicate this one solely as the library.

The plot is outlined with black wool at the corners and is 79 wide by 40 deep. The good thing about 79 wide is you can put a single block as a mid point. I've set you as admin of the plot.

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August 8, 2012
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i would say the river solas, which is a translation of light 5 shills for whoever gets which one. after all, the reason that the river became a problem is thanks to light. it seems fitting to name the river after him

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August 8, 2012
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Now, before we get heads deep into this, how true is this land reclamation going to be? Would I be able to look at the shoreline and believe that it was a natural formation? If I dig 8 blocks deep, will I fall into water?

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August 8, 2012
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I would like to fill in completely, as much as possible, although the northern project might be more practical to just go a few blocks deep, which would never be seen. It just might take hundreds of hours to fill it all in truely.

And yes, the shorelines will be natural.

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August 8, 2012
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Oh.. So we won't be building a symmetrical dirt square and calling it "natural"..? Kiss

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August 9, 2012
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Filling out all the way to the oceanfloor would be somewhere close to 200.000 blocks meat.

August 9, 2012
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I'll help with this if I can. Just need the permissions and some basic guidance, and you've got yourself a laborer when I'm available.

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