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Player survey for possible new market town
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January 7, 2015
6:29 pm
Sgt_Hurls
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A couple more of my cents:

I agree with the above comments that the market city should be away from current civilization to encourage exploring other parts of the world. And actually, having 2 maybe 3 markets could be very helpful for this (especially if they're in different biomes), as well as giving the sense of sending goods across the ocean for trade (especially if multiple markets are linked to each other with portal ships), as well as friendly competition :-) .

Greens and TFS, I like both your locations for different reasons (naturally beauty vs. exotic desert, distant lands vs. a linear coastal location, etc etc). I don't really agree with Escerine's location linked above IF he's building a new market town (no offense!) due to it's proximity to the Compass Ship- people would just go east instead of south from it, plus I believe it was mentioned in various threads that staff want portal ships spread out at least 1,000 blocks apart or something like that.

Plenty of tasks like rent to sort, but I'm confident something will get worked out. I'm not always around, but if anyone needs help, let me know! :D

Signed, ~Sgt_Hurls~
January 8, 2015
11:14 am
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I, personally, don't mind portal ships being right next to one another.  Honestly, the portals have to compete with /home usage, so the more convenient the portals, the more they'll be used.  Still, we don't want people portaling everywhere, hence the limitations and costs.

IIRC, the 1,000 blocks was for the buffer from building close to the Compass Ship destinations.  We actually started with a 500 block buffer and ended up increasing it.  Honestly, in retrospect I probably would have set it at 3,000.  The builds might be distributed further out into the Wild for all four of them, and places like New Glacia wouldn't have been more convenient than players just lurking on the edge and mooching off of the Compass Ship.

I do also remember there was talk about players mooching off the ships of others.  Especially for Exodus ships which have the monthly fees.  If a Claim was very small, another player could build very close to that Exodus ship, possibly building another no-fee ship to their main build and not have to pay for access.  That's the conundrum with group builds, is all you need are one/few players to not play nice and take advantage of the situation for it to fall apart.  

I don't know if we'll use a 1000 block buffer, but we WILL consider fairness in approving portal ships.  If a moocher cozies up to the Market build and thinks they'll get a portal ship when everyone in the build is helping to pay for the Exodus access, they may not get their portal.  (At least not from me; I can't speak for everyone.)

Just remember, you can encourage builds in the Wilds around these Markets all you want, but you really only have control over what YOU have claimed.  If it's a hodge-podge of claims like in New Glacia, or if you have other claims clinging on to the border of the Market, there is no legal basis for forcing players to help pay for Exodus access, to make them build what and where you want, or how they will compete.  And you can not restrict access to a portal ship to/from Exodus for those who take advantage, they must be open to the public.

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January 9, 2015
4:46 pm
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I would not participate in this new market. I don't like the idea of not having sole and complete control over the claim that holds my inventory. If New Glacia gets demolished I will just create a shop at my claim. If New Glacia is not going to be demolished then I would not want the pain of managing two sets of inventory.

Which raises this question: Is New Glacia going to be demolished? If so will current shop owners get reimbursed for their clams and shop setup fee?

It seems to me the time for the moderators to say something about New Glacia would have been when people began setting up shop there, not after it's been in place for over half a year.

January 10, 2015
3:23 am
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This isn't a moderator action though. Of course if the server changes the rules and that outlaws New Glacia, then I imagine shopkeepers will be reimbursed for claimcosts and shop-moving fees. But this topic basically is 'how do we players set up a decent market instead?'

January 10, 2015
10:27 am
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New Glacia is NOT being destroyed. We just want to have a new market town that doesn't look ugly (No offense), and that also has it's own Portal Ship so that it doesn't mooch off the cardinal ships.

January 10, 2015
10:39 am
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Thanks for the clarification!

January 10, 2015
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Correct, New Glacia will not be outlawed or demolished.  Best/worst case scenario, it'll become irrelevant.

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January 27, 2015
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Maybe a little late, but yes, we desperately need to remake a market town, as it is a disaster in New Glacia right now. We need to put this in the fast lane too, more players keep joining, and want shops, but filing removal of all those shops would be a disaster, it is easier and more reasonable to do a mass purge of ideally, all claims bordering the ship borders. Roads are fine from shop borders, but just throwing a town at it is hideous and problematic, especially since it is poorly organized.

Hope this gets some serious attention!!

January 27, 2015
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Maybe a little late, but yes, we desperately need to remake a market town, as it is a disaster in New Glacia right now. We need to put this in the fast lane too, more players keep joining, and want shops, but filing removal of all those shops would be a disaster, it is easier and more reasonable to do a mass purge of ideally, all claims bordering the ship borders. Roads are fine from shop borders, but just throwing a town at it is hideous and problematic, especially since it is poorly organized.

Hope this gets some serious attention!!

February 7, 2015
1:13 pm
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I would happily relocate to a proper shop town, with its own portal ship...now portal ship prices have been decreased, its looking brighter for us shop owners :)

 

And if you think New Glacia looks ugly Snow, how about finishing your build or removing it, half built shops do make it look ugly I agree ;)

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