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There are three important currencies in VeteranCraft. Shillings, Land, Labor. Organizing the Guild with the Council would be a good way to get it popular and organized.

Another point would be public transit. Council members could work together to connect places with railroads, build canals for portalships (like the Panama Canal in the SW), have transit nodes, etc. With membership fees, such projects could be paid for.

The embassy-part is incorrect, there is space for more embassies at Vetropolis. And equality is important.

Quote from gunnelring on April 29, 2012, 20:36
i agree that there should be equality but i also agree that there needs to be a "higher ring" of members that serve a rule holders or at least one person who is in charge of ensuring that every plan is by the rules. sort of like Tali's aunt if any of you have played Mass Effect 2

I don't know, that can very easily lead to inequality. I'm not saying that it WOULD, but it definitely could. I've just always thought of a council as a sort of everyone is completely equal thing. Basically, it may seem like a good idea, but the safer way is to just start it with no true "leaders" (in my opinion). And to Okarim: that's also assuming that Meat will decide to add in new spaces for more embassies in the future.

Quote from Okarim on April 30, 2012, 04:42
He said he would if needed, though. And there's enough space in that area.

The Council could always appoint someone to function as rules lawyer, perhaps?
Edit: But as far as members are concerned, if a second set of members is added, I think it shouldn't be a higher ring but instead a lower one, people that go for different requirements. For example, a place like Dustlandia has no residents but its area and creator could qualify for a secondary membership and supply input for possible plans for the Council to execute.
Such a second set would probably need the Council members to agree on it and possibly exist of temporary seats.

Ah, thanks for bringing that info on embassies to my attention.

About the other part, i really like that second idea. One ring would be the actual large cities ring and a lower one would be the owners of other huge things like Dustlandia.

Since on sunday I'm leaving for a week, and keep forgetting to post this, I figured I'd better do this now. This is basically a list of ideas on the different parts of the Council.

Requirements Primary Membership

• Capitol Building / City Hall / Comparable building
• Embassy at Vetropolis
• Public connection to Vetropolis (railway/portalship)
• Residential section partially available by /res market
• 500.000 blocks residenced
• 5+ non-owner residents*
• 7+ residents*
• Must pay for portalship** to Council Island
• Core City must be at least 1 month old (future expansions allowed)

*: The second version benefits people who build a city together. Since building a city alone is already a tougher job, it'd be more fair to only go for non-owner residents. On the other hand, a group of friends might want to become a member of the Council. However, if they do not have X non-owner citizens, then they might not actually be Council material. A tough call, I myself would prefer a non-owner citizen requirement.
**: Either portalship to a Council Harbour, or an airship to Council Island. Depends on how the Council system works.

Requirements Secondary Membership

• Must be appointed by a 2/3 majority vote of Primary Members
• Is renewed every month
• Must severely stand out somehow
• More to be determined by Primary members

Benefits Primary Membership

• Can vote on Secondary Memberships and Council Plans
• Embassy at Council Island (larger than those at Vetropolis)
• Portal-connected to Council, which means a two-step connection to all Primary Members
• Gets both public and private shop at Council Island
• Access to private shops*** at Council Island
• Allowed to post information on res-market available properties at Council Island
• Allowed to post job requests on Council Island

***: Each member can decide to make certain materials available cheap to other members in their private shops.

Duties Primary Membership

• Must regularly provide votes on Council Plans
• Must occasionally provide aid to Council Plans, with labour or money****
• Must allow free-passage from/to Vetropolis and Council*****

****: Heavy pockets carry heavy duties. I'd also lessen the impact by starting with an initial support of at least 100.000 to Council treasury.
*****: You would be allowed to ban people from your city, but anyone should be able to make it from your Vetropolis access to free land outside your city, as well as onto the Council portal, and vice versa.

Council HQ
Location
This is the tricky part. There's basically 3 possibilities right now. The currently reserved location is a big island in the North, just off the coast of residence Pyox and even directly above the North Line. It has a 200x200x1 reservation on it and would, with use of multiple areas, fit into a total size of 60k floorsize. If you make the claim 40 tall, to allow for big buildings, we're talking 240k max to residence. The downside is that it's located deeply within a mile-wide ice age, making sailships for portals impossible.

Option 1: Have everyone use small airships, at most 50 long, and one big dock gathering them all.
Option 2: Use another island as central dock for sailships from members, with an airship leading to Council Island.
Option 3: Pick a different spot.

Ownership
To make all members equal, what you ideally want is for a neutral party to own the residence. There are basically 3 options for a neutral party: Meatbawllz, Frelling, Government. After that you'd make the Primary Members admins of their own sections and the shared sections, and maybe later on have an appointed Caretaker in charge of these shared sections. The downside would be adding vessels later on, which means either detailed conditions on the portalvessels, or make it people their own responsibility to include an area for their vessel. That or pay to have a resadmin add areas.

Council Island buildings

• Senate
• Embassy District (Think 30x30x30 or something like that)
• Port
• (Adventurers) Guild HQ (jobs)
• Public Shops (Could be either a separate district or part of Embassies)
• Private Shops

Council Goals
Possible Council goals could include public transit projects, with railways with frequent substops, as well as portals to important locations, to connect the world itself more thus allowing people to move around more freely.
That would mean labour and small residences transfered to government to protect canals, railroads dug, residenced and transfered, or a handful of sailships and airships leading to various spots spread around Vetronia.

A dragon or pegasus would just be a little.. I don't know.. silly I guess? But anyway, that sounds good, Okarim. Keep it coming so I can keep having motivation for working faster on Hydriquin. 😛