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3:21 pm
June 20, 2011
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I've been forced to post this, due to more than a few trusted members of VeteranCraft crossing what they see to be a grey line, I need to remind you of the rule:
"No Cheating
(A) No Flying; (B) No Speedhacking; (C) No X-Raying or Clear Texture Packs; (D) No Item Duping (duplicating items exploiting bugs); (E) No Exploiting Other Bugs for Unethical Gain; (F) No Hacked Clients; (G) No mods that give unfair advantage."
I just want to remind you all, thinking we're not watching, that our patience has run out. Don't AFK fish. It's not worth losing your experience, friendships and future fun times in VeteranCraft. I'm actually a bit upset because I expect more from you guys.
5:02 pm
November 4, 2011
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I just wanted to ask if that includes putting tape down on the right mouse clicky thing? Reason for asking is that I used that for AFK fishing and the post was about AFK fishing so I was a little scared.
8:39 pm
June 20, 2012
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This post really scared me, i thought Vetcraft was shutting down XD
Though, i havent been on lately... XPPPPPPPPPPP
6:43 am
Knight
November 3, 2012
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Spentxlr8tion said
I just wanted to ask if that includes putting tape down on the right mouse clicky thing? Reason for asking is that I used that for AFK fishing and the post was about AFK fishing so I was a little scared.
I would assume he means being in any situation where you're away from the comp and letting it fish automatically for you in your absense. The biggest difference is whether you're sitting behind the wheel (so to speak) or letting it run on autopilot without you (away from keyboard).
I'd also assume if they see you doing something like instantly casting and pulling the line back in over and over quickly (which technically is a perfectly valid way to fish!), they'd probably message you to see if you're behind the wheel or away. If you stop fishing momentarily and answer, then everything should be kosher (you'd have to stop in order to open the chat window and respond anyway).
It's when you don't answer when they message you where things start to escalate very quickly, I'm sure...
...and having seen my share of people afk playing in MMORPGs, I have to agree with their stance on this.
11:48 am
August 18, 2011
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Those offering doe-eyed responses not knowing that it was illegal to do so or that our rules didn't state so specifically, will not be meet with any compassion. No normal server operator would use an AFK system to add a "game-enchancing challenge". It will never be possible to have a 100% foolproof AFK system without inconveniencing all our players. However, the lesson that some need to desperately learn, is that using means to circumvent such is side-stepping a server resource management tool.
Player slots are a direct cost to us. The more slots provided, the more processing power, memory, and bandwidth are required, all of which have tangible costs. Anyone using a slot for purposes other than playing the game, participating with the community, and doing normal things on a MULTI-PLAYER survival server, is stealing our resources.
12:06 pm
Viceroy
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June 1, 2012
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Perhaps merely a clarification to the existing rule would help? For example:
(H) No in-game mechanism (such as minecarts) to keep you from "going afk"
(I) No weighing down your mouse button to simulate activity you are not actually there for.
1:22 pm
August 18, 2011
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LightWarriorK said
Perhaps merely a clarification to the existing rule would help? For example:(H) No in-game mechanism (such as minecarts) to keep you from "going afk"
(I) No weighing down your mouse button to simulate activity you are not actually there for.
Its a sad day when another rule has to be added, but a good point has been made. As far as clarifications: hopefully we can avoid overloading rules with cited examples and trust Vetronians to be mature enough to understand the intent of our rules.
3:32 pm
January 21, 2013
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what about afk xp grinding - i see a lot of people even setting afk messages to admit they do it - so i guess most think it's perfectly legal. Shouldn't the same apply here?
3:52 pm
November 25, 2012
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I saw people afk alot for many hours when I first got into VC, its diminished some but people still doing at mobs farms which makes no sense to me and other places. I have seen some fishing scores jump way up and I know there is plugins that will fish for you. I don't know how techs are able to tell legit fishing people from non but I am glad that you hopefully can. Whenever I fish it will knock me afk after a few and I have to jump around with my mouse moving to get out of it, I see people just talking get put in afk pretty easy, I would ask how long it takes to go from afk to afk kick but people would probably use that in their mods that keep them from going afk.
My hope is something severe gets pushed out on people doing it so that its not mea culpa one day bans, like people can appeal it but its a minimum 2 week or 1 month ban before they can appeal. Maybe that will motivate people to stop doing the crap and get attention.
4:12 pm
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November 17, 2012
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WallyBean said
My hope is something severe gets pushed out on people doing it so that its not mea culpa one day bans, like people can appeal it but its a minimum 2 week or 1 month ban before they can appeal. Maybe that will motivate people to stop doing the crap and get attention.
I agree especially on this point. If we were to add a minimum amount of time before an appeal would be considered, I think it would cut down on a lot of the people who grief and come right back, only to grief again. With the extra time required, they may put more thought and effort into not repeating their mistakes.
6:03 pm
Staff Alumni
February 1, 2012
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While fishing is the focus of the OP, one need only look again at Frelling's post to answer these questions. Please move any further discussion of non OP topics to a more appropriate forum section.
Anthony Hughes
6:20 pm
June 7, 2012
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I believe I'm 50% of this this topics intended audience. While I've never used a "hacked client" or any device to avoid AFK, I am 100% guilty of previously using a mod, which was observed and corrected within mere hours of having it, and I am 100% guilty of holding my button down and leaning back to read a textbook while sitting at my desk. There's no tinkering with the AFK system as I routinely get kicked if I don't release my button and play for a minute. Since it's clearly an annoyance to some, I'll put my book down and hold the button instead, since then I'm technically at my keyboard, and not just my desk.
8:48 am
June 20, 2011
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billyb87 said
I believe I'm 50% of this this topics intended audience. While I've never used a "hacked client" or any device to avoid AFK, I am 100% guilty of previously using a mod, which was observed and corrected within mere hours of having it, and I am 100% guilty of holding my button down and leaning back to read a textbook while sitting at my desk. There's no tinkering with the AFK system as I routinely get kicked if I don't release my button and play for a minute. Since it's clearly an annoyance to some, I'll put my book down and hold the button instead, since then I'm technically at my keyboard, and not just my desk.
Just to clarify, no you're not 50% of the intended audience. I've personally observed and or talked to at least 6 or 7 people who have been doing this, which is why I felt it deserved a post, because if that many are doing it that I've found, chances are more are doing it that I'm not aware of, and I would rather bring this up than have a straw break the camel's back and me snapping and just smaking down on everyone lol.
Guys, I totally understand the temptation to do this, fishing is boring, as with any skill leveling, but that's what makes it so admirable when someone reaches that level. It took effort, and hence pays rewards. I hope you all can appreciate the whole thinking behind the policy.
As far as using your own finger on a mouse, I don't care if you're reading a book or whatever, that's fine.. We're talking about ANY FREAKING THING that enables you to walk away from your computer and benefit either financially, materially, skillfully etc. What is not cool is when people use hacked software (including mods or clients) that exploit weaknesses.
Bottom line is, if you have to ask if something is against the rules, chances are good it is.
I hate adding new rules, because honestly, this is already clearly against the rules:
(G) No mods that give unfair advantage.
But if it needs to send a clearer message, perhaps it warrants further clarity.
10:19 am
Viceroy
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June 1, 2012
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Just playing Devil's Advocate for a second, I can see how fishing with the mouse button weighed down, or using water or carts to keep from going afk, could have been seen as alright. Most players consider a "mod" to be that client software, whereas a piece of tape of in-game mechanic doesn't sound like it. I know it didn't to me, and I will freely admit to being one of those afk fishers until the behavior was corrected, because that's how I was told to fish effectively (I forget by whom) and the method is described in detail on the McMMO wiki we link to.
I completely agree with the point of the thread, and that the Rules shouldn't need expanding, however from my experience I can safely say that the "No Cheating" rule covers enough examples to seem like we're trying to be all-inclusive, and that any activity not mentioned in the rule would be alright. I think the issue isn't really the actual client mods....those clearly fall under (G) and have no excuse, but rather it's the other methods that don't really count as "mods"....and it's very subjective as to what constitutes and "unfair advantage." That, and the phrase "afk" isn't even mentioned.
All that Devil's Advocacy to say, I DO think a little clarity is warranted, and meat, I think you said almost perfectly what should be added:
(H) No structure, real-life action, game mechanic, or behavior that allows you to go afk and benefit either financially, materially, skillfully, etc.
But as to the specificity of the "No Cheating" rule, I would say that it would be best to either cut out the examples and go to something much more general, or when something like this does come up that isn't covered by the examples that it be added. It's when we're in-between that people will get confused and think something is alright, or look for loopholes and exploit them.
3:51 pm
June 7, 2012
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I think I'll just steer away from it altogether since there's no actual way to tell if the person is "afk fishing" or sitting at the desk holding a button. I now realize I'd rather just avoid it than have the confusion/accusation/prosecution of it, haha
Or we could ya know...just do it the intended and correct boring way 
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